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The Grammy Tribute
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Iarwain
2004-02-09 03:14:21 UTC
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Since when is playing one song a tribute?
Ltb3105
2004-02-09 03:21:38 UTC
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I tuned in when Olivia came on. What tribute did they do? Was nice to see
Yoko very humbled...she looked damned good for a woman of 70!!!

I don't think the audience appreciated the impact of the Beatles....mostly a
very young crowd.

Oh well.

Laura B.
Awesoman
2004-02-09 03:54:51 UTC
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Post by Ltb3105
I don't think the audience appreciated the impact of the Beatles....mostly a
very young crowd.
Seemed pretty chatty especially when Olivia was talking. Makes me hate today's
artists even more.

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Mister Charlie
2004-02-09 03:55:56 UTC
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I don't think the audience appreciated the impact of the
Beatles....mostly a
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very young crowd.
Seemed pretty chatty especially when Olivia was talking. Makes me hate today's
artists even more.
I watched none of this...show...but I understand from another forum that
it sounded as if the sound person had a mic on picking up talking
backstage rather than audience chatter.
Some Other Guy
2004-02-09 06:42:31 UTC
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That was a disgrace when Olivia and Yoko came out. That audience could not have given a damn about
who the Beatles are. It was near embarrassing. They were talking quite loudly during the wives
comments and they probably looked at Ringo and Paul's messages from England as two old has beens
(like Bing Crosby and Rudy Valley would at a heavy metal award show.

It is pretty obvious that today's music audience clearly would rather watch Nelly or Outkast than
hear about how John would say that we should Give Peace A Chance.

Very sad and dissapointing.

Tony
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I don't think the audience appreciated the impact of the
Beatles....mostly a
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very young crowd.
Seemed pretty chatty especially when Olivia was talking. Makes me
hate today's
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artists even more.
I watched none of this...show...but I understand from another forum that
it sounded as if the sound person had a mic on picking up talking
backstage rather than audience chatter.
Scullyluster
2004-02-09 20:33:24 UTC
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Hey, if you're stupid enough to watch the Grammies you deserve to have
to suffer through it. What's even more disturbing is that The Beatles
and their estates got involved! If John or George were around today
there's no way they'd have shown up (OK, maybe John would have, but
only to do something weird and freak the corporate record suits out).

Scullyluster.
From Me To You
2004-02-10 02:58:59 UTC
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Post by Awesoman
Seemed pretty chatty especially when Olivia was talking.
I thought the audience got particularly noisy, too, but my first reaction was
that they had heard about her frivolous lawsuit against George's doctor, and
perhaps, as many here, didn't approve or think it appropriate.

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The Mgnt
2004-02-09 07:11:21 UTC
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Post by Ltb3105
I tuned in when Olivia came on. What tribute did they do? Was nice to see
Yoko very humbled...she looked damned good for a woman of 70!!!
It was on 2nd during the show (and apparently there was another one later on?
Had to turn it off early but commercials indicated such). Sting, Dave
Matthews, Vince Gill performed I Saw Her Standing There. I wouldn't have
called it a tribute but honoring a huge event in american musical history.

As for the audience chatter, it was clearly a mic left on backstage and not the
audience you all heard. This happened several times through the show. The
finally figured it out midway thorugh Sting's performance of Roxanne.

-paul
The Bee Tells
2004-02-09 08:26:57 UTC
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Sting, Dave Matthews, Vince Gill performed I Saw Her Standing There.
Gill played a nice sunburst Epiphone Casino. :)
Phred
2004-02-09 13:23:18 UTC
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So what's new.

The grammies have never recognized the Beatles appropriately. The
guys only won a few here and there.

Look at the Grammy track record overall. Pretty dismal. Take the
history of the 'best new artist category" alone.

The last time I watched the show was one of the last (few) times the
Beatles were nominated.

"I won an award."

"...a likely story"

"It's on the wall....in my office"
WizardGlik
2004-02-09 19:52:22 UTC
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Post by Phred
Look at the Grammy track record overall. Pretty dismal. Take the
history of the 'best new artist category" alone.
Historically, the "Best New Artist" award GUARANTEES that this artist will
never again be heard from again. It's a friggin' death sentence!

1969 Jose Feliciano
1975 Marvin Hamlisch
1977 Starland Vocal Band
1978 Debby Boone
1979 A Taste Of Honey
1981 Christopher Cross
1983 Men At Work
1984 Culture Club
1988 Jody Watley
1989 Tracey Chapman
1990 Milli Vanilli
1993 Arrested Devleopment
1996 Hootie & The Blowfish
1998 Paula Cole

...oh yeah, and in 1965 they gave the award to some British beat group called
The Beatles. Wonder whatever happened to them, eh?

- Darren
poisoned rose
2004-02-09 22:49:57 UTC
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Post by WizardGlik
Historically, the "Best New Artist" award GUARANTEES that this artist will
never again be heard from again. It's a friggin' death sentence!
1969 Jose Feliciano
1975 Marvin Hamlisch
1977 Starland Vocal Band
1978 Debby Boone
1979 A Taste Of Honey
1981 Christopher Cross
1983 Men At Work
1984 Culture Club
1988 Jody Watley
1989 Tracey Chapman
1990 Milli Vanilli
1993 Arrested Devleopment
1996 Hootie & The Blowfish
1998 Paula Cole
It's true that the Best New Artist award has a dubious track record, but
it's not quite as bad as a "GUARANTEE."

Even on your own list, Tracy Chapman has carried on with some degree of
success. So has Marvin Hamlisch. And other New Artist winners include
Bobby Darin, Tom Jones, CSN, the Carpenters, Carly Simon, Bette Midler,
Rickie Lee Jones and Sheryl Crow.
Ltb3105
2004-02-09 23:20:59 UTC
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Post by poisoned rose
It's true that the Best New Artist award has a dubious track record, but
it's not quite as bad as a "GUARANTEE."
We can dream, can't we?

;-)
Laura B.
j***@earthlink.com
2004-02-10 01:50:29 UTC
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Weren't these guys best new artist....?

New Vaudeville Band 1966 - "Winchester Cathedral"
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Post by WizardGlik
Historically, the "Best New Artist" award GUARANTEES that this artist will
never again be heard from again. It's a friggin' death sentence!
1969 Jose Feliciano
1975 Marvin Hamlisch
1977 Starland Vocal Band
1978 Debby Boone
1979 A Taste Of Honey
1981 Christopher Cross
1983 Men At Work
1984 Culture Club
1988 Jody Watley
1989 Tracey Chapman
1990 Milli Vanilli
1993 Arrested Devleopment
1996 Hootie & The Blowfish
1998 Paula Cole
It's true that the Best New Artist award has a dubious track record, but
it's not quite as bad as a "GUARANTEE."
Even on your own list, Tracy Chapman has carried on with some degree of
success. So has Marvin Hamlisch. And other New Artist winners include
Bobby Darin, Tom Jones, CSN, the Carpenters, Carly Simon, Bette Midler,
Rickie Lee Jones and Sheryl Crow.
poisoned rose
2004-02-10 07:24:52 UTC
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Post by j***@earthlink.com
Weren't these guys best new artist....?
New Vaudeville Band 1966 - "Winchester Cathedral"
Nope.

60s winners:

1969 - Crosby, Stills & Nash
1968 - Jose Feliciano
1967 - Bobbie Gentry
1966 - (none) [why no winner, I have no idea...]
1965 - Tom Jones
1964 - The Beatles
1963 - The Swingle Singers
1962 - Robert Goulet
1961 - Peter Nero
1960 - Bob Newhart
ripper
2004-02-12 04:36:14 UTC
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Post by WizardGlik
Historically, the "Best New Artist" award GUARANTEES that this artist will
never again be heard from again. It's a friggin' death sentence!
1969 Jose Feliciano
1975 Marvin Hamlisch
1977 Starland Vocal Band
1978 Debby Boone
1979 A Taste Of Honey
1981 Christopher Cross
1983 Men At Work
1984 Culture Club
1988 Jody Watley
1989 Tracey Chapman
1990 Milli Vanilli
1993 Arrested Devleopment
1996 Hootie & The Blowfish
1998 Paula Cole
It's true that the Best New Artist award has a dubious track record, but
it's not quite as bad as a "GUARANTEE."
Even on your own list, Tracy Chapman has carried on with some degree of
success. So has Marvin Hamlisch. And other New Artist winners include
Bobby Darin, Tom Jones, CSN, the Carpenters, Carly Simon, Bette Midler,
Rickie Lee Jones and Sheryl Crow.
Heh. Some of the above were good in their time but not great imo.
poisoned rose
2004-02-12 06:00:48 UTC
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Post by ripper
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Even on your own list, Tracy Chapman has carried on with some degree of
success. So has Marvin Hamlisch. And other New Artist winners include
Bobby Darin, Tom Jones, CSN, the Carpenters, Carly Simon, Bette Midler,
Rickie Lee Jones and Sheryl Crow.
Heh. Some of the above were good in their time but not great imo.
Personal opinion is irrelevant. The point was these artists clearly defy
the "never heard from again" rule, as the initial poster said was
"GUARANTEED."
Strabbo
2004-02-12 15:38:32 UTC
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Post by ripper
Heh. Some of the above were good in their time but not great imo.
Personal opinion is irrelevant. The point was these artists clearly
defy the "never heard from again" rule, as the initial poster said was
"GUARANTEED."
True, but you've got to admit - their knack for picking artists that had
staying power isn't great.

It all comes down to perception at the time, of course. And a chunk of
the fault has to go to the artists themselves - a good deal of them
could have probably made some better music later in their careers.
Tracey Champman notwithstanding... she rocks.




Marty
ripper
2004-02-13 13:41:19 UTC
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Even on your own list, Tracy Chapman has carried on with some degree of
success. So has Marvin Hamlisch. And other New Artist winners include
Bobby Darin, Tom Jones, CSN, the Carpenters, Carly Simon, Bette Midler,
Rickie Lee Jones and Sheryl Crow.
Heh. Some of the above were good in their time but not great imo.
Personal opinion is irrelevant. The point was these artists clearly defy
the "never heard from again" rule, as the initial poster said was
"GUARANTEED."
To some extent, yes. Let's just say there is no one in the same category as
Zepplin or The Beatles on that list.
poisoned rose
2004-02-13 20:06:14 UTC
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Even on your own list, Tracy Chapman has carried on with some degree
of
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success. So has Marvin Hamlisch. And other New Artist winners include
Bobby Darin, Tom Jones, CSN, the Carpenters, Carly Simon, Bette
Midler,
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Rickie Lee Jones and Sheryl Crow.
Heh. Some of the above were good in their time but not great imo.
Personal opinion is irrelevant. The point was these artists clearly defy
the "never heard from again" rule, as the initial poster said was
"GUARANTEED."
To some extent, yes. Let's just say there is no one in the same category as
Zepplin or The Beatles on that list.
God...the hairsplitting being conducted on this issue is unbelievable.

And actually, there IS a band of Beatles caliber on the Best New Artist
list. Presumably, I don't have to tell you which band that is.
goFab.com
2004-02-13 21:38:35 UTC
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:06:14 GMT, in article
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And actually, there IS a band of Beatles caliber on the Best New Artist
list. Presumably, I don't have to tell you which band that is.
Fountains of Wayne.

Although I made that point here before and, predictably, was ridiculed for it.

But WIM is every bit as good and variegated as, say, Rubber Soul.
saki
2004-02-13 22:25:52 UTC
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:06:14 GMT, in article
Post by poisoned rose
And actually, there IS a band of Beatles caliber on the Best New
Artist list. Presumably, I don't have to tell you which band that is.
Fountains of Wayne.
Although I made that point here before and, predictably, was ridiculed for it.
But WIM is every bit as good and variegated as, say, Rubber Soul.
This is the group to which belongs Adam Schlesinger, right? The clever
fellow who wrote and sang the songs for "The Wonders" in "That Thing You
Do"?

To coin a phrase (assuming I don't need to wear plaid pants and an non-
matching polo shirt): "Neato!"

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goFab.com
2004-02-13 22:52:59 UTC
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:25:52 +0000 (UTC), in article
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:06:14 GMT, in article
Post by poisoned rose
And actually, there IS a band of Beatles caliber on the Best New
Artist list. Presumably, I don't have to tell you which band that is.
Fountains of Wayne.
Although I made that point here before and, predictably, was ridiculed for it.
But WIM is every bit as good and variegated as, say, Rubber Soul.
This is the group to which belongs Adam Schlesinger, right?
Yes, along with his friend Chris Collingwood.
Post by saki
The clever
fellow who wrote and sang the songs for "The Wonders" in "That Thing You
Do"?
To coin a phrase (assuming I don't need to wear plaid pants and an non-
matching polo shirt): "Neato!"
Precisely. For which, by the way, he was nominated for an Academy Award.

FOW seem to annoy a lot of people because they make it look so easy and they
don't take themselves very seriously. WIM is obviously a pastiche, but even
serious records are rarely this accomplished. It puts me in mind of a similar
subversive tour de force by XTC called "The Dukes of Stratosfear," although XTC
were much more obvious about what they were doing.

poisoned rose
2004-02-13 22:27:09 UTC
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And actually, there IS a band of Beatles caliber on the Best New Artist
list. Presumably, I don't have to tell you which band that is.
Fountains of Wayne.
Although I made that point here before and, predictably, was ridiculed for it.
Well, obviously, I was talking about the Beatles themselves.
Post by goFab.com
But WIM is every bit as good and variegated as, say, Rubber Soul.
I really don't like that band. I find them cloying and contrived. Even
*before* "Stacy's Mom," the silliness of these thirtysomething's faux
teenage-boy musings was embarrassing.
goFab.com
2004-02-13 22:47:03 UTC
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:27:09 GMT, in article
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Post by poisoned rose
And actually, there IS a band of Beatles caliber on the Best New Artist
list. Presumably, I don't have to tell you which band that is.
Fountains of Wayne.
Although I made that point here before and, predictably, was ridiculed for it.
Well, obviously, I was talking about the Beatles themselves.
Post by goFab.com
But WIM is every bit as good and variegated as, say, Rubber Soul.
I really don't like that band. I find them cloying and contrived. Even
*before* "Stacy's Mom," the silliness of these thirtysomething's faux
teenage-boy musings was embarrassing.
Well, at least you (unlike the Grammies) recognize that they're not a new artist
at all.

I couldn't disagree with you more about their music. In fact, other than the
tongue-in-cheek Stacy's Mom, I can't think of a single song on WIM that's
written from the perspective of a "teenage-boy." And I can't think of a better
pop song released in 2003 than, say, "Valley Winter Song" or "Supercollider".

My name is Yoshimi, I'm a blackbelt in karate.
nobody
2004-02-12 11:40:01 UTC
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Post by ripper
Post by poisoned rose
Post by WizardGlik
Historically, the "Best New Artist" award GUARANTEES that this artist
will
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Post by WizardGlik
never again be heard from again. It's a friggin' death sentence!
1969 Jose Feliciano
1975 Marvin Hamlisch
1977 Starland Vocal Band
1978 Debby Boone
1979 A Taste Of Honey
1981 Christopher Cross
1983 Men At Work
1984 Culture Club
1988 Jody Watley
1989 Tracey Chapman
1990 Milli Vanilli
1993 Arrested Devleopment
1996 Hootie & The Blowfish
1998 Paula Cole
It's true that the Best New Artist award has a dubious track record, but
it's not quite as bad as a "GUARANTEE."
Even on your own list, Tracy Chapman has carried on with some degree of
success. So has Marvin Hamlisch. And other New Artist winners include
Bobby Darin, Tom Jones, CSN, the Carpenters, Carly Simon, Bette Midler,
Rickie Lee Jones and Sheryl Crow.
Heh. Some of the above were good in their time but not great imo.
But you've got to hand it to Karen Carpenter; I'll never forget Joan
Rivers' joke about Carpenter (a great great voice, but definitely not
a rocker):

"I can never feel sorry for anyone who's thin enough to be buried in
pleats."

;-)

frannie or schwartz
ripper
2004-02-13 13:42:13 UTC
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Post by poisoned rose
Post by WizardGlik
Historically, the "Best New Artist" award GUARANTEES that this artist
will
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Post by WizardGlik
never again be heard from again. It's a friggin' death sentence!
1969 Jose Feliciano
1975 Marvin Hamlisch
1977 Starland Vocal Band
1978 Debby Boone
1979 A Taste Of Honey
1981 Christopher Cross
1983 Men At Work
1984 Culture Club
1988 Jody Watley
1989 Tracey Chapman
1990 Milli Vanilli
1993 Arrested Devleopment
1996 Hootie & The Blowfish
1998 Paula Cole
It's true that the Best New Artist award has a dubious track record, but
it's not quite as bad as a "GUARANTEE."
Even on your own list, Tracy Chapman has carried on with some degree of
success. So has Marvin Hamlisch. And other New Artist winners include
Bobby Darin, Tom Jones, CSN, the Carpenters, Carly Simon, Bette Midler,
Rickie Lee Jones and Sheryl Crow.
Heh. Some of the above were good in their time but not great imo.
But you've got to hand it to Karen Carpenter; I'll never forget Joan
Rivers' joke about Carpenter (a great great voice, but definitely not
"I can never feel sorry for anyone who's thin enough to be buried in
pleats."
;-)
LOL!
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frannie or schwartz
brink
2004-02-10 00:22:57 UTC
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Post by WizardGlik
Post by Phred
Look at the Grammy track record overall. Pretty dismal. Take the
history of the 'best new artist category" alone.
Historically, the "Best New Artist" award GUARANTEES that this artist will
never again be heard from again. It's a friggin' death sentence!
1969 Jose Feliciano
1975 Marvin Hamlisch
1977 Starland Vocal Band
1978 Debby Boone
1979 A Taste Of Honey
1981 Christopher Cross
1983 Men At Work
1984 Culture Club
1988 Jody Watley
1989 Tracey Chapman
1990 Milli Vanilli
1993 Arrested Devleopment
1996 Hootie & The Blowfish
1998 Paula Cole
um, less than 40 percent of best new artist recipients in the last 35 years
have "never been heard from again" and this somehow equals a "GUARANTEE" of
a career death sentence?

since when does less than 40 percent equal a "guarantee"?

and besides, you're forgetting that tracy chapman had a big hit in 1997 with
"give me one reason" and sold a few million copies of her album, "new
beginning." also, hootie and the blowfish sold several million copies of
their sophomore album; and culture club/boy george have hardly "never been
heard from again."
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...oh yeah, and in 1965 they gave the award to some British beat group called
The Beatles. Wonder whatever happened to them, eh?
what happened to that "guarantee" again?
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- Darren
mcnewsxp
2004-02-09 12:28:39 UTC
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darn, i missed the tribute.
worst sound crew there ever was.
enjoyed the screw up during celin dion's performance, however.
Pat D
2004-02-09 16:51:59 UTC
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Post by Iarwain
Since when is playing one song a tribute?
It could have been done much, much better.

Madonna was shown laughing in the audience when Yoko got tears talking
about John. The material girl then saw she was on-camera, and quickly
stopped laughing and said to the person sitting next to her "oh, she's
so cute," (at least that's what my limited lip-reading skills tell
me).

What do you expect from a show where the RIAA president has to make a
speech scolding those who download music (and actually started
promoting some website saying which sites were legal or not). The
dude should be more concerned with good music being created--and
record companies finding those people who are. This year's show did
not have that one "blockbuster" album that Everyone Bought, regardless
of age, race, or gender.

P.S.: I liked when Ringo mentioned they had "won a few of those
awards."
Scrinine
2004-02-09 23:24:03 UTC
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The Grammy show was another sign that pop music is dying fast. The
biggest thing in pop music (Outkast) is a rip-off of M.C.
Hammer...whatever happened to larger than life rock stars?

-Scrinine
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Post by Iarwain
Since when is playing one song a tribute?
It could have been done much, much better.
Madonna was shown laughing in the audience when Yoko got tears talking
about John. The material girl then saw she was on-camera, and quickly
stopped laughing and said to the person sitting next to her "oh, she's
so cute," (at least that's what my limited lip-reading skills tell
me).
What do you expect from a show where the RIAA president has to make a
speech scolding those who download music (and actually started
promoting some website saying which sites were legal or not). The
dude should be more concerned with good music being created--and
record companies finding those people who are. This year's show did
not have that one "blockbuster" album that Everyone Bought, regardless
of age, race, or gender.
P.S.: I liked when Ringo mentioned they had "won a few of those
awards."
poisoned rose
2004-02-10 00:02:31 UTC
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The
biggest thing in pop music (Outkast) is a rip-off of M.C.
Hammer
What a remarkably ignorant thing to say.
brink
2004-02-10 00:24:07 UTC
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Post by Scrinine
The
biggest thing in pop music (Outkast) is a rip-off of M.C.
Hammer
What a remarkably ignorant thing to say.
well, the beatles are a ripoff of elvis presley... ;-)
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